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Posted by [thishereboi]
RE: The right are all about protecting free speech...
ORIGINAL: Shandirra At least your avatar is truth in advertising. if you are going to try and insult me, at least be original

Posted by [Hillwilliam]
RE: More 'family values'
ORIGINAL: bounty44 you have the lack of awareness to call other people "hyper-partisan." Only because you seem to believe that the last time a Democrat did anything right was when Kennedy managed to block a bullet with his head. Go ahead and whine and get that post removed AGAIN As for 'hyper partisan', How many times have I called Hillary a 'sleazebag'? DUMBASS

Posted by [DesideriScuri]
RE: New GOP Tax Plan
ORIGINAL: MrRodgers ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri ORIGINAL: MrRodgers ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Not taking into account other potential effects, is certainly disingenuous. Do you think economic doldrums will have an impact on tax revenues? Well certainly not as much as the policies of borrow and spend starting with Reagan. If anything, during a recession, it is risky work plus I recall Greenspan telling the congress that if they cut taxes he would recommend rate hikes. So, yes, you do think economic doldrums will have an impact on tax revenues. Now, you assign all blame for the reduced revenues at the beginning of Bush43's Presidency on his tax cuts, but ignore the economic doldrums that happened after the dotcom bubble burst, and then again after 9/11. You are nothing more than a partisan shill. Enough Oooooh. Or what? As of W taking office, the fiscal 2000 budget was looking at a $132 billion surplus. $5 trillion surplus over the next 10 years. So tell me what it was that hurt revenue again ? In fact W used the surplus and even got Greenspan's blessing that time specifically to justify 2001 tax cuts. Then in 2003 came up with the supply-side bullshit again and even at war, cut corp. taxes. For the last time, the reduction in tax revenue thanx to these tax cuts, took the budget immediately into deficit and tax revenue did not return to pre-cut levels until 2006 according to Treasury. So 2001-2008 $8 trillion in new debt. Now a real conservative (and real conservative legislators) not some charade of elitist and corporate whores, would not have even asked for this and even then, congress would've voted it down. Will the real conservatives ever stand up ? No, there are none. Some will state going back to as far as Nixon and I agree, the so-called conservatives have n e v e r...e v e r...legislated for either small govt. or fiscal responsibility. So for any 'disingenuousness' look to those who for 40 or more years and now, who call themselves small govt. fiscally responsibility conservatives as worse...pathological liars. In fact, the right and the repub elected officials of the time, were such hyper-partisans, they railed against Kennedy's tax cuts claiming all sorts of calamities were in store. What happened ? Kennedy did a whole lot more with govt. then just tax cuts...to get the economy moving after Eisenhower left him a recession. All Kennedy really did on taxes, was reduce brackets and lower the top rates. What lowered receipts? Do you not remember the dotcom bubble burst? Do you not remember the hit the economy took from that? Do you not remember the hit the economy took from 9/11? Right there are two solid reasons (among others) that revenues took a hit. How you can fucking argue that revenues didn't rise afterwards, I don't know. I linked to the Historical Tables kept by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) that detail the annual revenues and expenditures. You still argued. It matters not what Kennedy did. We're arguing about Bush's tax cuts. Kennedy's activities are meaningless to that discussion. Btw, revenues in for FY2005 were higher than in FY2000 (which was Clinton's highest revenue year) and FY2001. Aaaand, they haven't been lower than FY2000 since FY2004. Revenues under Bush43 hit bottom for FY2003 ($243B less than FY2000, btw). The tax breaks did have an immediate reducing effect. I do not dispute that. But, the tax breaks did also have a longer term effect, which you won't see immediately. Enough? Only if it's enough for you to admit you're a partisan shill (regardless of the puke Ron spouts in your defense). If not, continuing proving it. It's not going to hurt me at all.

Posted by [MasterDrakk]
RE: Under $100,000, no cut; under $75,000, tax increase
yes, because that is the point. it rolls right into the absolute dumbassness of the tax bill.

Posted by [DesideriScuri]
RE: Under $100,000, no cut; under $75,000, tax increase
ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk how is it partisan bullshit to say that seeing Russia does not give you insight into Russia. Sounds like partisan bullshit to claim it is partisan bullshit. He's ridiculing Palin for saying that you can see Russia from Alaska. When, in fact, you can see Russia from some parts of Alaska. I do not argue that Palin's response was incredibly stupid.

Posted by [MrRodgers]
RE: New GOP Tax Plan
ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk well, in continuing along partisan shill lines, look at Kansas and the absolute disaster there, with their taxes. then turn your attention to california where they were raised, and lets compare economies, and how much deficit was cleared in each as well. Talk about night and day. There exists no greater comparison between the two opposite policies and how they effect economic performance. With this bill they consider now, it is extremely likely, the whole country are in for a world of shit. Looks like we'll have a chance to see once again how repub tax cuts fuck the country. Seems they want higher interest rates and another deep recession. Recessions for the investor class...is a profit center and likely why they seem to regularly reoccur.

Posted by [MasterDrakk]
RE: Under $100,000, no cut; under $75,000, tax increase
how is it partisan bullshit to say that seeing Russia does not give you insight into Russia. Sounds like partisan bullshit to claim it is partisan bullshit.

Posted by [servantforuse]
RE: Justice seems to be rigged against BLACKS. I am shocked.
Vincent, If they would stop committing violent crimes, they wouldn't have to worry about the justice system.

Posted by [MrRodgers]
RE: New GOP Tax Plan
ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri ORIGINAL: MrRodgers ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Not taking into account other potential effects, is certainly disingenuous. Do you think economic doldrums will have an impact on tax revenues? Well certainly not as much as the policies of borrow and spend starting with Reagan. If anything, during a recession, it is risky work plus I recall Greenspan telling the congress that if they cut taxes he would recommend rate hikes. So, yes, you do think economic doldrums will have an impact on tax revenues. Now, you assign all blame for the reduced revenues at the beginning of Bush43's Presidency on his tax cuts, but ignore the economic doldrums that happened after the dotcom bubble burst, and then again after 9/11. You are nothing more than a partisan shill. Enough As of W taking office, the fiscal 2000 budget was looking at a $132 billion surplus. $5 trillion surplus over the next 10 years. So tell me what it was that hurt revenue again ? In fact W used the surplus and even got Greenspan's blessing that time specifically to justify 2001 tax cuts. Then in 2003 came up with the supply-side bullshit again and even at war, cut corp. taxes. For the last time, the reduction in tax revenue thanx to these tax cuts, took the budget immediately into deficit and tax revenue did not return to pre-cut levels until 2006 according to Treasury. So 2001-2008 $8 trillion in new debt. So if I am to take into account the recession and 9/11...why didn't Bush & Co. ? Now a real conservative (and real conservative legislators) not some charade of elitist and corporate whores, would not have even asked for this and even then, congress would've voted it down. Will the real conservatives ever stand up ? No, there are none. Some will state going back to as far as Nixon and I agree, the so-called conservatives have n e v e r...e v e r...legislated for either small govt. or fiscal responsibility. So for any 'disingenuousness' look to those who for 40 or more years and now, who call themselves small govt. fiscally responsibility conservatives as worse...pathological liars. In fact, the right and the repub elected officials of the time, were such hyper-partisans, they railed against Kennedy's tax cuts claiming all sorts of calamities were in store. What happened ? Kennedy did a whole lot more with govt. then just tax cuts...to get the economy moving after Eisenhower left him a recession. All Kennedy really did on taxes, was reduce brackets and lower the top rates.

Posted by [MasterDrakk]
RE: New GOP Tax Plan
well, in continuing along partisan shill lines, look at Kansas and the absolute disaster there, with their taxes. then turn your attention to california where they were raised, and lets compare economies, and how much deficit was cleared in each as well.


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